Firefighter Erik Lawyer demands a new investigation. Firefighters for 9-11 Truth strongly supports AE911 Truth in their struggle to secure a new independent investigation.

“The reality is that it was a criminal investigation to cover-up the crime.”

Firefighter For 9/11 Truth
http://firefightersfor911truth.org/

Architects and Engineers For 9/11 Truth
http://www.ae911truth.org/

More than 1,700 professional engineers and architects have signed the petition demanding a new independent investigation.

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  2. albury says:

    Here’s the link to Lawyer’s “firefighters” for 9/11 “truth” petition:
    http://firefightersfor911truth.org/?page_id=469
    Please note the tiny number of signatories to it who even CLAIM to be FDNY. Does actually being there and losing over 300 of your buddies count for anything?

  3. Abandon TV says:

    AE911 tell us thermite brought the towers down in a symmetrical controlled demolition. This would presumably require instant cutting of every vertical column. (240 outer steel box columns + 47 core columns). Some of these columns are up to 5 inches thick.

    Thermite is an incendiary. It melts things. Melting inches-thick steel box columns instantly requires an awful lot of heat.

    But let’s be conservative and assume thermite was only required every 5 floors.

    240 + 47 = 287 columns
    110 floors / 5 = 22 floors

    287 columns x 22 floors = 6314 separate thermite reactions.

    Each thermite reaction would have had to have been hot enough to melt the inches thick steel box columns instantly. After all, the towers came down in a little over 10 seconds. Free fall acceleration is 9.2 seconds.

    Go and look at videos of thermite reactions. They are HOT and they are BRIGHT (white hot). Super duper nano thermite would presumably be even hotter and brighter than ordinary thermite.

    6314 heat transfer reactions hot enough to slice through inches thick steel box columns instantly is a HUGE amount of energy (light and heat) to be released over a 10 second period.

    It seems a little odd then that no significant light or heat was observed. The dust cloud was not hot – it burned no one as it rolled out. The paper did not burn. The 14 survivors at the base of WTC1 (stairwell B) were not incinerated by 6314 thermite reactions raining molten steel onto their heads. Nor were they buried under 500,000 tons of collapsed building. After the dust started to clear sunlight shined in from a hole above their heads and they saw blue sky. Many of them climbed out unaided.

    Think about that for a moment. If 6314 thermite reactions had melted and then dropped a 500,000 ton building onto your head at near free fall speed would you be able to just climb up and out of the (non existent) debris pile once the dust had settled? I don’t think so.

    Plus the seismic signal did not record two 500,000 buildings slamming into the ground. The signal generated was more like 20 story buildings collapsing. What happened to the other 90 floors of building? (CLUE: dust does not make a thud when it lands on the ground).

    But none of this makes any difference anyway…… because what we actually SEE happening with our own eyes is the towers being turned to dust in mid air.

    Neither thermite or jet fuel can make steel turn to dust as it falls through the air.

    To believe in jet fuel fires and gravity collapse you need to ignore the evidence and trust a bunch of self appointed authority figures in the government and media.

    To believe in thermite controlled demo you also need to ignore all the evidence and trust a bunch of self appointed authority figures in the so called ‘9/11 truth movement’.

    I’m sorry but the ‘9/11 truth movement’ is a controlled opposition. It is designed to keep everyone going round in circles until everyone is exhausted and bored and too much time has past and no one cares anymore.

    It’s like ‘Inception’… if you wake up from the official story and they already have another dream lined up for you.

    It’s time to Wake up (again) LOL

  4. Editor says:

    I’m approving AbandonTV’s comment in order to point out a major flaw in the rant.

    “Nanothermite” and “thermite” are two entirely different substances. If you had studied the issue carefully, you would have seen that “nanothermite” was found in the WTC dust. The characteristics of this substance are relatively new and not widely known. It is an explosive, highly concentrated variant of thermite, and of particular interest as active samples are found in the actual dust.

    Until you address these issues of hard evidence, your rants are speculative and theoretical and of no value to the discussion.

  5. Editor says:

    Apparently Abandon TV is pushing the “space beams” and “directed energy” fantasy in order to further disrupt valid scientific inquiries. I will no longer approve his/her messages.

    “Perhaps that’s why there is lots of iron and aluminium dust on the ground. It’s not nano thermite – it’s powdered building.”

    Wrong:

    The Open Chemical Physics Journal
    ISSN: 1874-4125

    Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe
    Niels H. Harrit, Jeffrey Farrer, Steven E. Jones Kevin R. Ryan, Frank M. Legge, Daniel Farnsworth, Gregg Roberts, James R. Gourley and Bradley R. Larsen Pp 7-31

    Take it up with chemistry and physics journals if you think you know something. The end.

  6. albury says:

    How do you know that “active samples” of anything were found in the WTC dust, when the Bentham farce simply proves the existence of sulfur, rust, aluminum, silicon, etc., and claims that all of it “reminds” them of something for which they provide no exemplars? If explosives cut any WTC steel, why were no columns found in the debris with cutter charge signatures on their ends? If explosives can be painted on W14 X 730 columns like the 24 in the core of WTC 7, and later detonated to sever them, as alleged in the paper you’re citing, then steel fabricators have been doing it wrong for years:

    Please urge your researchers to get some of these steel columns and demonstrate their new cutting method. If nanothermite keeps steel molten in debris fires for months, our energy problems may be solved too.

  7. Editor says:

    Albury’s comments are misleading:

    “If explosives cut any WTC steel, why were no columns found in the debris with cutter charge signatures on their ends? “

    Perhaps it doesn’t occur to Albury that all the steel was illegally disappeared and shipped overseas for meltdown? This destruction and tampering of evidence cuts off much further investigation.

    There is enough evidence of an official cover-up to show obstruction of justice and many other crimes related to the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks. It is quite odd that you would be obsessed with attacking those who are asking for the truth, the actual truth, not the stories that known liars have peddled. That’s the ugly side of this debate and the self-appointed “debunkers” who don’t actually disprove anything but simply cast aspersions on those doing the independent research.

    “If nanothermite keeps steel molten in debris fires for months, our energy problems may be solved too.”

    This is another extremely odd comment to make. The ground beneath the site was extremely hot for months. Satellite data shows that. Are the satellites working for the 9/11 truth movement? Massive amounts of thermite/nanothermite are one explanation for this excess heat. I suppose you have a better explanation?

    Can you show me another building fire that resulted in a debris pile being above 1,000 degrees for months?

    Can you show me another building collapse that mimicked a controlled demoltion, the building crumbling into small pieces on the way down?

    Can you show me another steel building to completely collapse as a result of fires?

    The buildings are one line of inquiry that stinks to high heavens regarding these attacks. The covert support of terrorist networks through allied nations like Saudi Arabia and Pakistan is a far more damning case. Right now as we speak Al Qaeda and Libyan Islamic Fighting Group are being armed and sent in to destroy Syria. These terrorists are doing the dirty work that Washington wants done. This is not novel. It is a long and disgusting history, involving people like none other than Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan and the Balkans.

    The fairy tales that the Bush regime told about these attacks have been clearly nonsense since 2002 when Bob Graham, the chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence told us that “foreign governments” participated in the 9/11 attacks, and then the White House ordered 28 pages REDACTED from their Joint Inquiry into the attacks.

  8. albury says:

    What’s really misleading is using a photo a torch-cut steel column as evidence of controlled demolition, as that one very obviously was. It’s taken from Steven Jones’s “Why Indeed…” paper on page 31 here:

    Click to access WhyIndeed09.pdf

    Please note the oxygen and gas tanks and the ironworker in the second photo there, and then ask yourself how the massive shock wave from an explosive leaves gray slag dripping down, which then re-solidifies on the steel.

    It’s also misleading to cite satellite evidence without posting a link to it, and the USGS surveys done with AVIRIS sensing equipment after 9/11 showed debris fire temperatures hot enough to melt aluminum, but more than 1000F lower than the melting point of steel:

    http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2001/ofr-01-0429/thermal.r09.html

    Plenty of steel-framed buildings have collapsed solely from fires:

    https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/firesafetyengineering%26theperformanceofst

    which is why fireproofing and sprinklers are mandatory all hi-rises.

    If the WTC debris fires are evidence to you of explosives, what controlled demolitions have ever left debris piles above 1000 degrees for months?

    What explosives or incendiaries would account for debris piles above 1000 degrees for months?

    It would have been “extremely odd” if the massive fires inside of the WTC hi-rises had simply gone out during the collapses, given all of the normal combustibles in office buildings, and I’m sure you’ll also find it extremely odd that the FDNY finally extinguished the debris fires after ~3 months, but doesn’t share your views on the cause.

    Since the 24 core columns in WTC 7 were all W14 X 730s, there is nothing misleading in the video I posted showing how they’re usually cut, or in my suggestion that your 9/11 “truth movement” get some of those WF sections, stand them up, and cut them with explosives to show us how it worked on 9/11. A W14 X 730 weighs 730#/lineal foot, measures 22.42″ in depth, has a 215 sq. in. cross-sectional area, a web thickness of 3.070″, and 2 flanges that are 4.91″ thick by 17.89″ wide. If painting the explosives on the steel is the way to go, as Harrit, Jones, et al. have concluded, then let’s have a real independent investigation of that theory.

    The WTC steel was investigated in the debris by PANYNJ, SEAoNY, FEMA BPAT, NSF, and other engineers, as well as being seen and handled by the ~40,000 different people who worked at GZ and the recycling sites during the ~8 months of cleanup, and given the complete lack of evidence of anything but fire-induced collapse, there was obviously nothing “illegal” about scrapping hundreds of thousands of tons of it instead of spending huge sums to move it unnecessarily.

  9. Editor says:

    I’m not going to debate the WTC. I had enough of this shit years ago. Others make a persuasive case for cover-up and destruction of evidence. But that doesn’t seem to affect you or bear on your voluminous rantings.

    The below sentence indicates you don’t understand the point of a “truth movement.” The point is to get an investigation that isn’t corrupted and compromised by people likely involved with the attacks themselves. You know, “independent.”

    “Since the 24 core columns in WTC 7 were all W14 X 730s, there is nothing misleading in the video I posted showing how they’re usually cut, or in my suggestion that your 9/11 “truth movement” get some of those WF sections, stand them up, and cut them with explosives to show us how it worked on 9/11.”

    Who do you think the “truth movement” is? We have steel columns and explosives sitting around the house??? These absurd demands obfuscate what has been said. Numerous engineers have poked wide holes in the bullshit reports from NIST et al.

    One of the co-chairmen of the 9/11 Commission said, “We were set up to fail.”

    You are either satisfied with cover-up and destruction of crucial evidence, or you aren’t. That’s the only question to ask here.

    Thread closed.

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